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The Question:

1/28/08 email to the CCF from Elisheva Levin:

 Hi,

 I found your site as I was looking for a Thomas Jefferson quote, and I found the two essays that I read by Tim Lewis quite thought-provoking.  Do you think it is possible for one to be in sympathy with your message aboutconstitutional freedom and at the same time disagree with you about some of your particular stands?

 I have grave concerns, for example, about amending the constitution to give the unborn fetus the same rights as a person who has been born. It is not that I believe that abortion on demand is a good thing for women, families or society, but rather that I can foresee situations in which, in order to preserve her own life, a woman might decide that an abortion is necessary.

It also occurs to me that forcing certain health-care decisions on a womanby legislative fiat would deprive her of her right to life and liberty andpursuit of happiness. It also seems that this would impose a certain religious view upon people who do not profess that religion. My religion, for example, although it does not countenance abortion on demand, does permit it (and even mandates it) in situations in which the life and health of the mother are in grave danger.

 It is interesting that although Professor Lewis argued that one cannot achieve perfect (cosmic) justice, and one ought to consider carefully what changes in constitutional law might do to the benefits of liberty for ourselves and our children, it seems that conservatives also believe that they are somehow above the normal limits of the human race, and ought to legislate in order to deprive others of the ability to act in their own moral interests. This is no different than the liberals who believe that they are above the normal human limitations and ought to legislate in order to deprive others of the ability to act in their own economic interests.

 At first, upon reading your the essays, I was overjoyed to find an organization that champions our Constitutional liberties, only to find that certain ideologies of force against individuals are argued for the benefit of a specific religious world view. These are just as dangerous to our liberties as the use of force against individuals for the benefit of a specific economic world view.

 I write this, not with anger or righteous indignation, but rather with disappointment.

 Sincerely,

 Elisheva Levin
 http://www.ragamuffinstudies.blogspot.com


Professor Tim Lewis's response:

 Dear Elisheva,

 First off, let me thank you for reading some of the essays.  I encourage you to read the rest for you will find some very interesting and important materials on American history that you may want to incorporate into your home schooling curriculum and which is not covered by most textbooks.  Further reading might also clarify my position in your mind and give you a lot of interesting food for thought, which, from the sounds of your letter, you enjoy consuming.

 See: http://www.constitutionalfreedomfoundation.org/Articles/Articles.htm

 I would argue that the issue of abortion is not a federal matter for the reasons stated in 2nd, 3rd, and 5th essays.  The U.S. Supreme Court has inappropriately nationalized this issue when it constitutionally and rightfully belongs within the province of the states.   If the Supreme Court were not willing to reverse its judicial activism and return that issue to where it rightfully belongs, I would favor an Amendment that would return the issue to its rightful state domain without trying to definitively resolve the issue one way or the other.

By allowing it to reside with the states, political majorities would decide the issue state by state.  People would be free to vote their conscience one way or the other, be they religiously motivated or not, in the process. 

The benefit of this approach would be that the political losers in that contest would have a political escape value, or pressure relief valve, if they found they couldn’t bear to live with their political loss.  They wouldn’t have to start a revolution to get their way politically.  If the issue were that important and compelling to them, they could easily flee what they perceived to be a local tyranny without jeopardizing their American citizenship.  They could pick up and move to a different state where the views of the political majority better matched their own political/legal philosophy.  In other words, they would consider the relative balance between liberty and law existing in one particular state compared to that of another, and consider that along with the many other things people consider in deciding where they want to live—things like job opportunities, proximity to family and friends, the relatively beauty of the surroundings (or lack thereof), etc.

Whenever free societies form, they must decide how much liberty they desire versus how much law—in other words, they must decide (1) what should remain within the sphere of liberty, freedom, and mere moral persuasion versus (2) what should be moved from that sphere over to the sphere of legal mandate or force.  Reasonable minds will often disagree as to where a particular issue should reside between those two spheres.

While it is true that it may be presumptuous for a religious majority to politically force a particular view upon an irreligious minority (or a differently motivated religious minority), the same could be said the other direction.   But again, that is the beauty of Federalism where we can have several different experiments playing out around the country to give us future points of comparison in deciding which political/legal approaches ultimately work the best and create the type of civil society we desire.

The appropriate degree of separation between church and state, was originally within the province of the states to decide for themselves.   In the first days of our nation, some states supported particular state religions and some even imposed religious tests as qualifications for both suffrage and elective office.  Over time, as they compared what was happening in their states with what was happening in other states that did not have such a close connection between church and state, every state in the union eventually did away with all such internal religious tests.  Consistent with both the letter and spirit of the Constitution, the federal government did not force the issue in a top-down format, but rather, the people within the various states decided these matters for themselves based upon their own best judgment.  And that is the way it should have been handled.  And that is the way the issue of abortion should be handled; and that is the way it was handled before the Supreme Court usurped authority and nationalized this issue and made themselves the ultimate decider of the issue from the top-down.

In deciding what is right or wrong, good or evil, better or worse and what should be legal or illegal, free or forced, people are going to refer to some sort of internal moral compass to guide their decisions.  One’s moral compass may have religious origins or not.  It would be both inappropriate and impossible to try to squeeze all religious beliefs out of the political process in making those decisions—just like it would be to try to squeeze out all irreligious beliefs from that process.

As food for thought, let me give you a real case to consider.  A few years ago, a German, Armin Meiwes, wanted to become a cannibal.  He placed an ad on the Internet trying to find “a young, well-built man who wants to be eaten.”  Bernd Brandes anxiously answered his ad.  They met and discussed the proposition and made an agreement.  As a precautionary measure in case the authorities wanted to prosecute him for murder, Meiwes video-taped a conversation between him and Brandes wherein Brandes said that of his own voluntary free will and choice, he really wanted to be killed and eaten by Meiwes.  Meiwes then killed him and ate 44 pounds of him before being arrested by the authorities and prosecuted criminally, and later convicted. 

What was Meiwes’ defense at trial?-- that both he and Brandes were consenting adults and that society had no right to interfere with their freely pursuing what they both deemed to be in their own mutual best interests.  Meiwes argued that no harm was done to Brandes since he really wanted to be eaten as the video proved.  In effect he was saying that society should not be able to trump Brandes’ own definition of harm when it came to his own body and therefore, his decision should be left within the sphere of individual liberty rather than put into the sphere of legal mandate or force.

In deciding that legal issue politically, should only an irreligious person’s opinion count or should religious people be allowed to use their religious beliefs to inform their political opinions on the matter too?  Does that question even make any sense? 
To explain what I mean consider two possible conflicting philosophic/religious positions held by parties A and B.

 

Let’s suppose that A believes there is a God who has declared that life is sacred and should not be taken away, even by one’s own self through suicide, and that people will face serious consequences on judgment day in the next life for violating this natural law.  Moreover, he believes that to the extent his nation observes or disobeys natural laws, that it will be blessed or cursed accordingly.  Based upon those beliefs, A politically supports the passage of a law making it a criminal offense for Meiwes to kill Brandes under the foregoing circumstances (i.e. taking the issue out of the sphere of individual liberty and freedom and putting it into the sphere of legal mandate or force.) 

 

In contrast, let’s suppose B believes there is no God, nor any hereafter, nor any ultimate judgment, nor that life is inherently sacred, and consequently, that a person is free to take his own life, or that of another, without any moral consequence in any sort of hereafter.  Moreover, he believes there is no such thing as national blessings and cursings from God based upon obedience or disobedience to natural law.  Based upon those beliefs, B politically opposes the passage of a law making it a criminal offense for Meiwes to kill Brandes under the foregoing circumstances (i.e. voting to leave the issue within the sphere of individual liberty and freedom.) 

 

Is it really reasonable and fair to portray A’s belief as religious and B’s as irreligious?  Aren’t they both, at heart, religious beliefs just differing religious beliefs?  Even if you were not willing to use the adjective “religious” to describe both sets of beliefs, wouldn’t the winning side of that political contest effectively be politically forcing a set of mere beliefs onto the losing side?    Hence, it would be impossible to excise all religion/morals from the political/legal decision-making process.  Most laws have a moral base to them and hence, in a republic/democracy, the majority usually imposes its moral will on the minority as a simple fact of political/legal life.  In this process, as argued above, it is unfair to say that only “religious” people do this unless you were willing to broadly define everybody as “religious.”

The same could be said about A or B’s position on the issue of abortion. 

True, any attempt to legally regulate abortion would have an impact on the mother’s health care decisions (i.e. her individual liberty).   Normally we would be inclined to leave all of those decisions entirely up to her own free will and choice when nobody else is affected by her decisions.  Only when another life—the developing human life within her—is affected by her decisions, do we even consider restricting her freedom of choice for the sake of that other life.  When that developing life should become entitled to legal protection is a matter of widely varying opinion and belief throughout society.  

At first the Supreme Court ruled that the developing child gained a legally protected right to life as it reached the point of viability outside the womb and that only after that point could a state restrict the woman’s choice to abort.  But then the court effectively said that up until the point of actual delivery outside the womb, the mother was free to abort even if the baby was viable outside the womb.  With the legal line being drawn there, one could see how some could argue that the line should be pushed out even further from the viable-unborn-life to the born-life.  For example, a “bio-ethicist” from Princeton, Peter Singer, argues that we should allow parents so-many days after a live birth to decide whether or not to kill their handicapped child. 

Singer’s moral framework for decision-making, which differs quite radically from other people’s moral frameworks, is:

“I do think that it is sometimes appropriate to kill a human infant.  For me, the relevant question is, what makes it so seriously wrong to take a life?  Those of you who are not vegetarians are responsible for taking a life every time you eat.  Species is no more relevant than race in making these judgments.” (Federalist No. 05-16, April 20, 2005)

Along the same line of thinking, might not somebody else argue further that until a person is capable of independently taking care of all his human needs himself, he should not yet be legally recognized as a person entitled to any sort of legally protected right to life?  Under this argument, parents would be legally entitled to terminate the life of their child through sometime in his late teens—a tempting thought, no doubt, to some parents, but rife with moral implications, as are all of the potential points along the way at which legal lines could be drawn.  Are you willing to say that a person’s religious/moral beliefs should have no impact on his political decision as to where he thinks the line should be drawn?  If you could successfully squeeze all religious/moral considerations out of the legal line-drawing process, what would be left to consider?

Most people would agree that harmless things should remain in the sphere of individual liberty and that only harmful things should be the potential focus of legal regulation.  In deciding what type of harm should be sufficient to move something from the sphere of individual freedom to the sphere of legal mandate, should we only consider harm to individuals or should we also look more globally at harm to society as a whole as well?  Should we only consider direct and immediate consequences?  What about indirect and delayed consequences and general societal tendencies?  Let me illustrate what I mean.

Moral/social norms fall along a continuum.  As their acceptance evolves among society, certain points must be passed first before others can be reached.  For example, is there any doubt that Singer’s proposition described above could never have any chance of garnering widespread political support unless society could first be made to morally and politically accept the idea of abortion for convenience?

A Jewish Rabbi named Ken Spiro wrote an interesting book entitled World Perfect.  Many of the following quotes come from his book. 

“Infanticide during antiquity has usually been played down despite literally hundreds of clear references by ancient writers that it was an accepted, everyday occurrence.  Children were thrown into rivers, flung into dung-heaps and cess trenches, ‘potted’ in jars to starve to death, and exposed in every hill and roadside, ‘a prey for birds, food for wild beasts to rend.’ (Euripides, Ion, 504) (Lloyd DeMause in his essay “The Evolution of Childhood” quoted by Ken Spiro, in World Perfect.)

This was done by an immediate member of the family, usually the mother or father. (Spiro)

None other than Aristotle argued in Politics that killing children was essential to the functioning of society:

“There must be a law that no imperfect or maimed child shall be brought up.  And to avoid an excess in population, some children must be exposed.  For a limit must be fixed to the population of the state.” (Politics VII.16)

A callous letter from a Roman citizen named Hilarion to his pregnant wife, Alis, dated June 17th, circa 1 CE read:

“Know that I am still in Alexandria.  And do not worry if they all come back and I remain in Alexandria.  I ask and beg of you to take good care of our baby son, and as soon as I receive payment I will send it up to you.  If you deliver a child [before I get home], if it is a boy, keep it, if a girl discard it....” (Ken Spiro, World Perfect)

How far is it from there to the coliseum craze of watching people torn to shreds for mere entertainment?

“On a typical day when the Coliseum was playing to a full house, the place was crowded with men, women and children – yes, the Romans thought nothing wrong with exposing children to this kind of grotesquerie.  Admission was free, and a pillow for your seat, meat and wine were provided, also for free....

“During intermission, giant fountains sprayed perfume in the air to reduce the stench of death.  Entertainment did not stop, however.  In between the spectacular killings were held run-of-the-mill executions by burning, beheading, and flaying (that is, skinning people alive.)...

“Trajan...held a major tournament in which 10,000 gladiators and 3,000 animals fought.  This meant that whoever sat through that spectacle watched at least 5,000 people die....

“...Commodus (emperor from 180 to 192 CE) organized fights between crippled people and finished them off himself.” (Ken Spiro, World Perfect)

While we might disagree as to the specific order of the components and perhaps even want to add some more, we can see from the foregoing that the moral continuum regarding the protection, or taking, of life looks something like this:

Abortion--->     Partial Birth---> Assisted----->Euthanasia—>    Infanticide---->   Infanticide---->

early stages       abortion              suicide         (Terry Schrivo)    of the abnormal   for population    

                      (late term)       (Dr. Kavorkian)                             (Peter Singer)       control

 

Infanticide--------->  Killing off the------->Consensual---------->Death for sport---------> ?

for convenience       aged and infirm           Cannibalism              (Roman Coliseum)

                             for convenience        (Miewes/Brandes)

                             & control of costs

Is it appropriate for society to see the logical progression of things and draw a line beyond which it will not allow itself to go regardless of individual consent and the desired exercise of individual liberty like the case of German Cannibal Armin Meiwes discussed above or even regarding abortion?  It may be a slippery slope taking only a very short time to move along the continuum from left to right or it might not be so slippery and take several generations to move from one point to another.  But is it appropriate for us to foresee the eventual logical extensions of our tendencies and, by the force of law, apply the brakes to channel the direction of civil society?  Do we want to promote a culture of life or a culture of death in our society?   Where we decide to draw the legal line along that continuum will tend to telegraph our answer. 

Either a legal line must be drawn somewhere along that continuum or nowhere at all, which, in the latter case, would grant unrestricted individual liberty to the killer but no protection (and hence, no liberty) to the victim resulting in terror, anarchy and chaos.  Whether one thinks it appropriate or not, I think it is inevitable that people will consider their own personal religious/moral beliefs in politically determining where to draw that line.  And certainly, they may ultimately turn out to be right or wrong in the process.  

Of necessity, any line drawing, or none at all, by the political majority, will impose some sort of moral or immoral position upon the political minority.   So even though some people say “you can’t legislate morality,” it happens all the time on both the right and the left of the political spectrum—in our Constitutional form of government, the political majority is supposed to effectively decide whose sense of morality serves as the basis of law and not the courts.

As you indicate, the mother’s health is an obvious concern when it comes to drawing any line regarding abortion.  I read into your letter that you might be inclined to legally prohibit abortion so long as certain exceptions applied.  I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of people in your state politically agreed with you.  I think the majority of your state should draw the line in your state and a majority of my state should draw the line in my state.  That is what the Constitution allowed before the U.S. Supreme Court usurped authority over the issue.

Also, we must realize that wherever we choose to draw legal lines between liberty and law, there will always be some occasions where we don’t think the outcome is just or proper.  This does not necessarily mean that our legal line is drawn in the wrong place.  Of necessity, in order for the law to be understandable and predictable (which are both necessary pre-requisites to fostering respect for the law and general willingness within the populace to voluntarily comply with it) we must primarily deal in generalities and allow some injustices to occur along the way without rushing after the ever-elusive mirage of perfection by trying to carve out exceptions for every possible contingency.  In other words, we must construct general rules with few exceptions lest we gobble up the general rule with a multiplicity of exceptions and make the law totally unpredictable and disrespected in the process. 

Rather than trying to maximize (or perfect) any particular societal goal or objective, we should seek to optimize all of them as a group realizing that in trying to perfect our achievement of any particular goal will force us to sacrifice other worthy goals and objectives in the process.  We must condition ourselves to be able to accept a certain amount of imperfect legal applications as a type of unavoidable background noise.  Of necessity, we must learn to live with that problem even though it seems that most people find that proposition to be unacceptable and are constantly demanding that the law be impossibly fine-tuned to perfection.

Some might be inclined to say: “unless we could be assured of its perfect application in all possible settings, we shouldn’t have the proposed law in the first place and should leave the matter in the sphere of individual liberty.”  But since few, if any, laws could possibly have perfect application in all possible settings, that would mean that we would have no law and total liberty, which would eventually lead to anarchy, chaos, and terror as bad people exercised their liberties upon the rest of us.

Again, letting the various states wrestle with these issues and draw their own legal lines, would allow us to see many different approaches/experiments play out and help us to fine-tune our legal line-drawing over time if necessary—just like the various states did regarding religious tests.

After all, the “Constitutional liberties” you mention in your email include our rights of local self-determination of these, and other issues requiring the drawing of lines between liberty and law.  For a people to call themselves “free” does not mean that they are subject to no law, but rather, they are subject only to those laws they themselves have given their government the power to make.  At any time they can withdraw previously granted powers or grant more.  Ultimately, the people are free to choose their own collective limits on their freedoms for the sake of achieving the type of civil society they want.  When this is done from the bottom-up as per John Locke’s Compact Theory of Government and our Constitutional form of government derived therefrom, then political majorities rule.  When this is done from the top-down through judicial activism, then often times political minorities rule.

 

I am willing to let the people in states different from my own, make their own tradeoffs and moral judgments and draw the various legal lines on things like abortion the way they want to, no matter how foolish or wrong I might think their decisions to be, so long as those decisions weren’t forced on me and they would allow my state the privilege of the same type of political autonomy.  Wouldn’t you be willing to do that too, or would you be so sure of yourself that you were right and they wrong, that they should be denied the right of local self-determination regarding how things should be done legally within their own states?   

I am not sure if I read you correctly, but it almost seems as if you are saying that a decision for more freedom and less law is always the right decision to make.  But then it seems you are not saying that by implying you might be in favor of prohibiting abortion so long as appropriate exceptions are included in the package.  Although individual freedom is a very compelling and important human desire and need, isn’t it possible that a vote for more liberty and less law regarding a particular issue might actually turn out to be wrong, or at least sub-optimal, when all things are considered besides just the individual liberty of the actor or even the collective liberty of everybody involved?  Certainly I would think so, but would tend to be very careful in my analysis before making a judgment to impair liberty.

To reiterate, I think that rendering moral judgments—even those derived from religion—is not only appropriate, but necessary, in making political decisions.  Of necessity in the process, the conceptualization of morals held by the winners in the political contest will be forced upon the losers in that political contest.  Were that not so, how could we have ever abolished slavery in this country?   In closing out this discussion, perhaps it would be interesting to compare the issue of slavery to the issue of abortion.

Those who argue for abortion rights often say “you can’t force your morals onto everybody else by outlawing abortion.”  Following that line of argument, were we wrong to outlaw slavery?  Weren’t we, in effect, forcing a set of morals onto the slave owner population that they disagreed with?  We never had any laws forcing people to become slave owners – couldn’t people back then say: “Personally, I think slavery is morally wrong, but I’m in favor of pro-choice – if somebody else wants to be a slave owner, that should be a product of his own voluntary choice without any interference from the law.”?  But the immediate follow-up response would be: “What about the free and voluntary choice of the slaves themselves?  A slave owner has no right to impair the freedom of another human being.  That is why we can appropriately prohibit slavery as a matter of law.  After all, more than one person’s liberty is at stake here.”  But back then, some pro-slavery advocates argued that black people weren’t human beings and hence, were not entitled to enjoy what everybody else considered to be basic human rights.

That pro-slavery argument would seem preposterous to us today, but isn’t it the same argument being made about a fetus by those of the pro-choice camp?  When should the fetus be considered to be human thus entitling it to human rights?  When should its liberty become important and worthy of legal protection even to the point of trumping the liberty interests of its mother?   As mentioned before, effectively the Supreme Court has ruled that a fetus is not a human being, and hence has no human rights to be protected by the law, until it is born.  But isn’t that an arbitrary dividing line between being non-human and human?  A baby is helpless and cannot survive on its own for many years after birth, so should it not be considered human until it later becomes fully independent of his parents?  This was already discussed earlier when I mentioned Peter Singer.  But aren’t those questions pregnant with moral implications as was the issue of slavery?  How could it reasonably be argued that all moral implications should be politically out of bounds in drawing our various legal lines?

Anyway, after that lengthy (and rambling) explanation, I don’t know if we are closer together in our philosophies or farther apart.  In any event, I respect your willingness to think these things through carefully and hope that I have given you some valuable food for thought.

Sincerely,

Tim Lewis


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

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